June/ July 2010 Become a Better Poker Player


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June/ July 2010 Become a Better Poker Player


One of our biggest goals here at Rounders Radio is to have a community of poker players who are constantly growing their poker skill set regardless of what level you are at now. Interacting with each other is the best way to achieve this. Plus, we've added an incentive!

If you have a question or topic you would like us to discuss on Poker Talk Beyond the Books, just reply in this thread. Your post can be on a beginner topic such as "What does ______ mean?" it can be regarding advanced play and theories, or anything between! After the end of each month, we'll pick one of the posts and give you a $25 Bankroll!

Please do not reply to questions in this thread with answers, these questions are for our live shows and it becomes difficult to separate the questions and replies during the shows All replies will be removed. Thanks!

Slowplaying vs. Slowrolling, etc
First I want to know if there's a difference between 'slowplaying' and 'slowrolling' as I've heard both used interchangably in conversation and I don't want to get the two confused if they are not meaning exactly the same thing.

I was listening to an older podcast from Rounders Radio but I can't remember which show specifically but during the show a host or a guest said the words 'slowplaying is unethical' and they referred to a hand where someone had flopped quads and used a betting pattern where they allowed the opponent to have just enough rope with which to hang themselves.

I always thought we're supposed to be changing gears all the time based on the situation and taking advantage of opportunities to take chips from other players' stacks, if not their whole stack.

Are they seriously saying that there's a point of poker etiquette that says you need to 'let up' on a player who's offering you free chips because they think they have a better hand when they really don't?

Cheers!


** Submitted by Deadheadz*****

scott ian freeroll on ub, 3 k added, pays top 100

132 left, pays top 100, i had 4k, scott ian gets moved to my table with 3800 chips. Average chip stack was 12 k on table but 8 k in the tourney.( i think)
The bounty on scott ian of anthrax was a guitar worth around 5 grand. Im in the bb with 7 8 suited
Scott raises to 666 and 1st to act, with blinds 100 and 200.
Everyone folds, i push all in. He calls with Aces. Flop comes 7 8,king, 4 and ace on river. Not many were letting him see a flop and there were alot of all in greedy players trying for his bounty, so
i took my shot

LAKEOFFIRE
Question 2: I was on UB and decided too see who was on the final table of the dime and saw alakeoffire on the final table but short stacked. I then told chat and a few of us started to rail.
You were in the big blind and had 10 k left i believe. I then told chat this will be a mistake if they don't put
lake all in. Everyone folded to you then you had 25 k in chips left. 3 or 4 players had a monster chip lead and it wouldnt of been a dent in there chips if they put you all in but didn't. you then said your mouse stopped working in the bb in ub chat with 10 bb left.
Should one of the big chip stacks of put you all in then. You then later got beat by ace six vs your jacks and eliminated but moved up 2 or 3 spots instead of getting knocked out in the big blind.
Your thoughts on the tourney.

I was in a $55 tournament at a local cardroom with about thirty people and starting stacks of 5,000 chips, the top 7 get paid. In the fourth level the blinds at 200-400 I had about 9,000 chips and was on the button. The table was mostly playing passive with a lot of limping and preflop raises getting called but very little 3 betting. The chip leader raises to 900 from early position and is folded to a guy in middle position, with about 8,000 chips, who raises to 2,000. It folds to me and I look down at Ace King off suit. With my chip stack I don't think I could just raise I would need to shove if I was going to raise. Thinking about the two players I was thinking that one of the would I have a big pair and the other would most likely have another big Ace or it was possible they both could have pairs and the three bettor could have aces or kings. Either way I was thinking that if I pushed I would get called in both positions because the chip leader had a large stack and I seen him call other all ins and the other raiser was pretty much pot committed. I was thinking I did not want to go against two players and some of my outs were most likely already in play. I did not think calling would be good because I didn't want to call then just fold if I didn't hit and lose 2,000 chips. With nothing invested in the pot I decided to fold and wait for a better opportunity. Do you think that I was playing too tight? Is there any thing else I should of though about in this situation?

Another case where the stop and go gets the best of me: I guess i just have to put that stat in my HUD... but this guy had done this tiny donk bet about 4 times in the half hour i was at the table. so i figured it was an any pair bet.

PokerStars Game #46029308799: Hold'em No Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2010/06/26 19:01:41 ET
Table 'Posnania IV' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Hanni1981 ($3.50 in chips)
Seat 2: Basti200390 ($0.86 in chips)
Seat 3: Mullettkid ($1.84 in chips)
Seat 6: witsie1 ($3.09 in chips)
Seat 7: procced ($2.75 in chips)
Seat 9: larquitecte ($4.67 in chips)
witsie1: posts small blind $0.01
procced: posts big blind $0.02
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Mullettkid [Ac Ah]
larquitecte: raises $0.06 to $0.08
Hanni1981: folds
Basti200390: calls $0.08
Mullettkid: raises $0.12 to $0.20
witsie1: folds
procced: folds
larquitecte: calls $0.12
Basti200390: calls $0.12
*** FLOP *** [Qs Js Tc]
larquitecte: bets $0.10
Basti200390: calls $0.10
Mullettkid: raises $1.54 to $1.64 and is all-in
larquitecte: raises $1.54 to $3.18
Basti200390: calls $0.56 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($1.54) returned to larquitecte
*** TURN *** [Qs Js Tc] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [Qs Js Tc 2s] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
larquitecte: shows [As Kh] (a flush, Ace high)
Mullettkid: shows [Ac Ah] (a pair of Aces)
larquitecte collected $1.86 from side pot
Basti200390: shows [Td Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
larquitecte collected $2.49 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $4.57 Main pot $2.49. Side pot $1.86. | Rake $0.22
Board [Qs Js Tc 2s 8s]
Seat 1: Hanni1981 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Basti200390 showed [Td Th] and lost with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: Mullettkid (button) showed [Ac Ah] and lost with a pair of Aces
Seat 6: witsie1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: procced (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 9: larquitecte showed [As Kh] and won ($4.35) with a flush, Ace high


I'm also thinking the shove is spewy with the call between us. Is a raise here even a good play(putting bettor on 1 pair)? or should i be calling to reevaluate on the turn, assuming the caller will raise with stronger hands?