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Pschology behind bet sizes 5 years 2 weeks ago #1663

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First off I'm the (not so) infamous DSteele02 from FTP, PStars, UB, and Bodog, as this is my first post on this forum I thought I'd introduce myself. I've come to Rounders via Suited Pockets, and I'd like to say I love your product. Now to the topic.

Game: NLHE
Situation: Mid/late stage of an MTT. I have a medium M, and mosts stacks at the table are similar size.

This is not a question about a hand, its more about the overall thought process of villain.

I get dealt a strong hand like AK, AQ, or even AJ depending on the table and raise accordingly preflop. One of the blinds takes the discount and calls and I completely miss the flop. Villain checks and I c-bet, villain calls. Now of course there are a number of things I'm thinking here, and not many of them have anything to do with folding.

1: I consider the possibility that villain has a draw, so I may double barrel on a safe turn.

2: I consider the possibility villain has a middle pair, so when and if I double barrel depends on the scare cards that come.

3: I consider the possibility villain has a set, but this is more read dependent. I am more inclined to assume option 1 or 2.

4: Villain could also have a read on me and really feel I had AK or AQ and missed completely

So to the meat and taters of this post. Assume villain has a hand like a draw or middle pair for the purposes of my question, also assume he has a medium M as well. I have noticed that when I put villain on a foldable hand my bet size often determines whether he calls or not. What I mean by that is it is glaringly obvious to me that for whatever reason when I double barrel enough to put them all in, I get a higher % of calls, and when I bet 2/3 or 3/4 of their stack I get a higher % of folds. I havent bothered with P Trakker for this yet, as its something I have been paying attention to for quite a while now.

My reason for posting here is I would love some insight as to why all in seems more attractive to villain in this situation than a slightly smaller raise that commits them at a later stage. Not to mention its a situation that comes up pretty often. I have a thought or two on it.

1: We've all had that "a double here and I'm good" feeling...I believe that by presenting villain with the possibility of doubling through me right then and there I am inspiring hope. Also a raise to put him all in looks like what it is, a bluff.

2: The smaller raise can almost be construed as a bet I want him to call, so he is committed at a later stage, and I suppose that sows seeds of doubt. Not to mention if you call off 2/3 of your stack on a draw and the river is a blank you are in trouble.

This is of course guess work, and I am hoping to hear your thoughts on it. Also just to throw it out there...I nearly always c-bet when I open preflop, but double barreling is kinda read dependent, it doesnt happen all the time...lol.

So to recap. You are in villains shoes with a medium M, and medium/big blinds, and middle pair....your just plain medium! :D So why is it easier for you to call a raise that puts you all in than the smaller raise? Looking forward to your responses, because if I can get a good bead on my this is happening I can manipulate it.
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Pschology behind bet sizes 5 years 2 weeks ago #9852

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First off I'm the (not so) infamous DSteele02 from FTP, PStars, UB, and Bodog, as this is my first post on this forum I thought I'd introduce myself. I've come to Rounders via Suited Pockets, and I'd like to say I love your product. Now to the topic.

Game: NLHE
Situation: Mid/late stage of an MTT. I have a medium M, and mosts stacks at the table are similar size.

This is not a question about a hand, its more about the overall thought process of villain.

I get dealt a strong hand like AK, AQ, or even AJ depending on the table and raise accordingly preflop. One of the blinds takes the discount and calls and I completely miss the flop. Villain checks and I c-bet, villain calls. Now of course there are a number of things I'm thinking here, and not many of them have anything to do with folding.

1: I consider the possibility that villain has a draw, so I may double barrel on a safe turn.

2: I consider the possibility villain has a middle pair, so when and if I double barrel depends on the scare cards that come.

3: I consider the possibility villain has a set, but this is more read dependent. I am more inclined to assume option 1 or 2.

4: Villain could also have a read on me and really feel I had AK or AQ and missed completely

So to the meat and taters of this post. Assume villain has a hand like a draw or middle pair for the purposes of my question, also assume he has a medium M as well. I have noticed that when I put villain on a foldable hand my bet size often determines whether he calls or not. What I mean by that is it is glaringly obvious to me that for whatever reason when I double barrel enough to put them all in, I get a higher % of calls, and when I bet 2/3 or 3/4 of their stack I get a higher % of folds. I havent bothered with P Trakker for this yet, as its something I have been paying attention to for quite a while now.

My reason for posting here is I would love some insight as to why all in seems more attractive to villain in this situation than a slightly smaller raise that commits them at a later stage. Not to mention its a situation that comes up pretty often. I have a thought or two on it.

1: We've all had that "a double here and I'm good" feeling...I believe that by presenting villain with the possibility of doubling through me right then and there I am inspiring hope. Also a raise to put him all in looks like what it is, a bluff.

2: The smaller raise can almost be construed as a bet I want him to call, so he is committed at a later stage, and I suppose that sows seeds of doubt. Not to mention if you call off 2/3 of your stack on a draw and the river is a blank you are in trouble.

This is of course guess work, and I am hoping to hear your thoughts on it. Also just to throw it out there...I nearly always c-bet when I open preflop, but double barreling is kinda read dependent, it doesnt happen all the time...lol.

So to recap. You are in villains shoes with a medium M, and medium/big blinds, and middle pair....your just plain medium! :D So why is it easier for you to call a raise that puts you all in than the smaller raise? Looking forward to your responses, because if I can get a good bead on my this is happening I can manipulate it.
"Anybody can become angry - that is easy, but to be angry with the right person and to the right degree and at the right time and for the right purpose, and in the right way - that is not within everybody's power and is not easy." -Aristotle
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